16mm?
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jackandmeg
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16mm?
What is the best site for info on 16mm film making? thanx in advance!
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FourFourForty
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That's a bit of a two-part question. Are you looking for information about 16mm film or information about filmmaking?
There are quite a few people on this board that can help you with film. As for filmmaking, that's an area that's subject to opinion and the answers you seek would most likely be broader and better if the questions you asked were specific.
There are quite a few people on this board that can help you with film. As for filmmaking, that's an area that's subject to opinion and the answers you seek would most likely be broader and better if the questions you asked were specific.
There are quite a few people on this board who shoot in 16, like myself and Nigel, and Roger Evens, Scott Spears. Some even have shot in 35 for that mater.
I like this board and the other super 8 boards since they cater to low budget filmmakers from beginners on up. Most all of us, are on a tight budget. This is an important point, since anything is possible if your willing to through lots of money around. Nothing wrong with having lots of money to make a film with, but I suspect those people would not give you or me the time of day.
The people on this board live in the real world and have to find work around in most cases. Some times they may skimp more than they should .....finding the cheapest lab is not always the best idea, case in point (Walmart Processing)
All in all, I like to read the post by everyone hear, it's a pleasere sharing and learning from everone here.
I like this board and the other super 8 boards since they cater to low budget filmmakers from beginners on up. Most all of us, are on a tight budget. This is an important point, since anything is possible if your willing to through lots of money around. Nothing wrong with having lots of money to make a film with, but I suspect those people would not give you or me the time of day.
The people on this board live in the real world and have to find work around in most cases. Some times they may skimp more than they should .....finding the cheapest lab is not always the best idea, case in point (Walmart Processing)
All in all, I like to read the post by everyone hear, it's a pleasere sharing and learning from everone here.
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i've even shot hd, beat that. :-) speaking of which, a rental company wants in as co-producers on my next short by offering me an hd camera for almost nothing instead of the s16 we were planning on using. the budget will be tight so we'll see what happens. i'll try to get some tests done...FilmsUP wrote:Some even have shot in 35 for that mater.
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jackandmeg
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I'm sorry i should have been a little more discribtive but what i am looking for is a website with info on 16mm cameras? I have a super 8 but have never used it. I guess i should just start with that but i have an old 16mm camera and figure what is the use wasting money on super 8 film if what i am looking for is the quality of 16mm! But i do love super 8 film so i was just wondering on the cost and basic info of 16 mm cameras! thanx again!
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Mmmm,quality eh? Well I can assure you that stunning results are achieved on Super8 as they are too on 16mm.Like others,I am fortunate enough to use both.Furthermore,I have,like others,shot some shit too!
I love them both,as for 16mm,I buy the film over a period of time thus building up a stock then,go and film something nice.With S8 as it is so cheap,it is a good workhorse so you can 'get it right too' on 16mm.
Furthermore the 16mm users on this arena are all down to earth users without the elitism of the professionals which can in certain circumstances be a drawback.All here will give you genuine uncomplicated answers to your 16mm questions,and yes,that does include me who must be the oldest fart on the forum by now!!
Good luck!
I love them both,as for 16mm,I buy the film over a period of time thus building up a stock then,go and film something nice.With S8 as it is so cheap,it is a good workhorse so you can 'get it right too' on 16mm.
Furthermore the 16mm users on this arena are all down to earth users without the elitism of the professionals which can in certain circumstances be a drawback.All here will give you genuine uncomplicated answers to your 16mm questions,and yes,that does include me who must be the oldest fart on the forum by now!!
Good luck!
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FourFourForty
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There are numerous ways to get started. Super 8 is one of them. Kodak's K40 reversal film is inexpensive and all in all, produces a fantastic look. As in any gauge film, the downside with reversal stock is the lack of latitude (range in stops from overexposure to underexposure).
16mm cams can be had on ebay for very little money. As is the case with most things, the better the cam, the more expensive it gets. The Canon Scoopic is a good cam and not ultra expensive. They can be had generally for $600-$1000US. The Scoopic-MS is capable of being crystal synched (the "M" model may be as well, but I can't recall for certain). You don't have to buy film directly from Kodak. You can get 16mm negative stock from places like Film Emporium (filmemporium.com) or Dr Rawstock (thedrgroup.com) in the form of short ends or recans and save a ton of money. I've bought both from Film Emporium and never had a problem.
If you already have a 16mm cam, use it and see if you like the results. It may be fine for what you want to do. If you have questions, fire away. The folks here are capable and always willing to help.
Tom
There are numerous ways to get started. Super 8 is one of them. Kodak's K40 reversal film is inexpensive and all in all, produces a fantastic look. As in any gauge film, the downside with reversal stock is the lack of latitude (range in stops from overexposure to underexposure).
16mm cams can be had on ebay for very little money. As is the case with most things, the better the cam, the more expensive it gets. The Canon Scoopic is a good cam and not ultra expensive. They can be had generally for $600-$1000US. The Scoopic-MS is capable of being crystal synched (the "M" model may be as well, but I can't recall for certain). You don't have to buy film directly from Kodak. You can get 16mm negative stock from places like Film Emporium (filmemporium.com) or Dr Rawstock (thedrgroup.com) in the form of short ends or recans and save a ton of money. I've bought both from Film Emporium and never had a problem.
If you already have a 16mm cam, use it and see if you like the results. It may be fine for what you want to do. If you have questions, fire away. The folks here are capable and always willing to help.
Tom
Jack, I would advise you to master the basics and learn from your mistakes with super 8 first. Then later, when you feel proficient, you can take up 16mm filming. When starting out in super 8, I would recommend a camera with full manual exposure control - this will make good practise for filming in 16mm.
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Try here:
http://www.visualproducts.com
They have great pictures of their cameras for sale. Find what might interest you a do a serch for that camera. There are web pages on Bolex cameras, NPR, CP 16, Scoopics & Bell & Howell just to name a few.
You might want to do a book search also. The best information will be found at length in good camera books. Older copies of the ASC Handbook is a great resource.
Buying user manuals are one of the best & cheapest ways to learn about cameras without renting or buying the camera.
It's a hard choice to make when looking for a 16mm camera. I spent almost a year doing research on what camera(s) would be good for my needs.
It's one thing to "want" that special camera but you have to be honest with yourself and look at all the factors. Price, repair costs, sync/MOS, lens, batteries and frequency of use.
One reason why so many people choose a camera like a Bolex for a personal camera. It's relatively low maintenance and springwind capabilities make it a perfect camera.
But until you shoot with a camera you really won't be able to make judgements about what you like/need.
http://www.visualproducts.com
They have great pictures of their cameras for sale. Find what might interest you a do a serch for that camera. There are web pages on Bolex cameras, NPR, CP 16, Scoopics & Bell & Howell just to name a few.
You might want to do a book search also. The best information will be found at length in good camera books. Older copies of the ASC Handbook is a great resource.
Buying user manuals are one of the best & cheapest ways to learn about cameras without renting or buying the camera.
It's a hard choice to make when looking for a 16mm camera. I spent almost a year doing research on what camera(s) would be good for my needs.
It's one thing to "want" that special camera but you have to be honest with yourself and look at all the factors. Price, repair costs, sync/MOS, lens, batteries and frequency of use.
One reason why so many people choose a camera like a Bolex for a personal camera. It's relatively low maintenance and springwind capabilities make it a perfect camera.
But until you shoot with a camera you really won't be able to make judgements about what you like/need.
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Hello, it's me, being funny again.mattias wrote:yeah, i always figured filmmaking meant the art of juxtaposing more or less moving images to tell a story, which is the same no matter what film gauge or video format you use. keep the tech questions coming though. many of us shoot 16mm too and not just super 8.
/matt
Well, about film making being an art to tell a story i can't agree.
Using cinema to tell a story is the industry objective.
Cinema is just image in movement, just that, everthing you add to that is your own personal choice, in this case you mentioned is industry's choice.
I remember the first film in cinema history, from the Lumiere brothers, thats's cinema, and i don't see any story there.
Industry brought the story part, and most of people still think that telling a story is really the essencial part of cinema.
I have nothing against that.
But still i say that cinema is just image in movement.
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mattias
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i agree, but where did you see me mention cinema? i never tried to define cinema or film, just the word filmmaking. what you're talking about is the act of recording motion on film, which is cinematography and not filmmaking.fritzcarraldo wrote:Cinema is just image in movement, just that, everthing you add to that is your own personal choice, in this case you mentioned is industry's choice.
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jackandmeg
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I will probely buy some super 8 film and if i dare say a digital camera! I want a digital instead of high quality film so i can figure out what i like to do and dont have to buy film and all that stuff! But once i start making short movies i will buy a 16mm maybe or rent stuff but anyway i guess il be going know and thanks for all your advice!
P.S. Does anyone know of good things to shot/do in manitoba around winnepeg? I 'm going there this summer and was just wondering! Also is hecla island cool? thanks
P.S. Does anyone know of good things to shot/do in manitoba around winnepeg? I 'm going there this summer and was just wondering! Also is hecla island cool? thanks
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