super 8 effects
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citizendanny
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super 8 effects
Can you rewind film on super 8 cameras to do double exposue/ matte effects? Or are all super 8 cameras unable to rewind? My super 8 can't and I was wandering if there are super 8 cameras that do rewind? Or is there a trick/conversion to make a super 8 camera rewind? I know some old regular 8mm cameras have manual rewind. Also why do lenses on film cameras get moldy and not on digital/video cameras? How do I make sure my super 8 lens doesn't get moldy?
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Due to the construction of the Super 8 cartridge, you can't run indefinately in rewind or reverse. Several S8 cameras, such as the Nikon R10, allow for rewinding up to about 100 frames for dissolves and double exposures. Nowadays, most effects like this are handled in post production, with computer editing programs like Premier or Final Cut Pro.
If you need to run long stretches of reverse action, the traditional method was to use 16mm double perf film in a camera held upside down. By reversing the film you get an upright, backwards in time action.
If you need to run long stretches of reverse action, the traditional method was to use 16mm double perf film in a camera held upside down. By reversing the film you get an upright, backwards in time action.
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If you are into effects with matts and multi exposures why not use Fuji's single 8 ? The cartridge design allows for unlimited rewind even by hand in the dark.
With super 8 cameras without the backwind feature there is a gadget called the Craven backwinder which allows for a limited backwind for double exposures. Ewa also made one such device.
Info on backwinding a super 8 cart and super 8 special effects:
http://www.thevideojunkie.com/s8/s8effects.htm
Regarding the mold on lenses, my belief is that the majority of consumer video camera lenses are made of plastic and the anti glare coating are mixed in the plastic compound so is not subjected to fungal growth in hot and humid conditions. I have found certain lenses are quite suspectable to fungus, particularly those with better anti flare coatings such as Canon glass.
For storage in humid conditions it's best to store your camera and lenses out of it's case in a plastic air tight container with silica gel in a cool place.
Periodically check the condition of the silica gel, you might need to replace these every 6 months.
Check this page on fungus:
http://www.chem.helsinki.fi/~toomas/photo/fungus/
Bill
With super 8 cameras without the backwind feature there is a gadget called the Craven backwinder which allows for a limited backwind for double exposures. Ewa also made one such device.
Info on backwinding a super 8 cart and super 8 special effects:
http://www.thevideojunkie.com/s8/s8effects.htm
Regarding the mold on lenses, my belief is that the majority of consumer video camera lenses are made of plastic and the anti glare coating are mixed in the plastic compound so is not subjected to fungal growth in hot and humid conditions. I have found certain lenses are quite suspectable to fungus, particularly those with better anti flare coatings such as Canon glass.
For storage in humid conditions it's best to store your camera and lenses out of it's case in a plastic air tight container with silica gel in a cool place.
Periodically check the condition of the silica gel, you might need to replace these every 6 months.
Check this page on fungus:
http://www.chem.helsinki.fi/~toomas/photo/fungus/
Bill
There is a way to rewind film in a super 8 cartridge, and it goes like this.
Put tape over the drive wheel located inside the camera. This is the wheel that turns the reel which is inside the cartridge. By taping this off, the camera will advance the film by using the pulldown claw alone, and so the film is kind of being loosely crammed into the cartridge. You only want to run the camera for about 10 seconds like this. Then you need to remove the cartridge out of your camera, and in a totally dark place or using some kind of light tight changing bag you can then back up the film.
Simply use your finger to slide the film in the opposite direction that it travels in camera, and wind it back to the start of your run. It seems that it would hurt the film emulsion to actually touch the film, but I have done this a few times before, and the film came out fine.
In the past using a Minolta XL400, which is a super little camera, I was able to do some split screen matte shots and make it look like there were two of the same person instead of only one. The important thing to do is to set the aperture manually so that the exposure will be the same acoss the screen. The way I made the matte was to set the lens at it's widest angle, and then used a piece of black card board that was cut to fit within the rim of the lens. This circle shaped piece was split right down the middle and one half was used to film one side of the split screen effect, and then obviously the other half was inserted and the other half removed, the film rewound, and then the final side was filmed. Using this very low tech method resulted in a shot that has usually wowed most people who have seen it. I made sure that the matte line was lined up with a corner of a wall or some type of edge in order to help hide it. The only give away is that the registration is nor perfect, so there is a little bit of shifting between the two halves of the scene, but it still looks cool.
Put tape over the drive wheel located inside the camera. This is the wheel that turns the reel which is inside the cartridge. By taping this off, the camera will advance the film by using the pulldown claw alone, and so the film is kind of being loosely crammed into the cartridge. You only want to run the camera for about 10 seconds like this. Then you need to remove the cartridge out of your camera, and in a totally dark place or using some kind of light tight changing bag you can then back up the film.
Simply use your finger to slide the film in the opposite direction that it travels in camera, and wind it back to the start of your run. It seems that it would hurt the film emulsion to actually touch the film, but I have done this a few times before, and the film came out fine.
In the past using a Minolta XL400, which is a super little camera, I was able to do some split screen matte shots and make it look like there were two of the same person instead of only one. The important thing to do is to set the aperture manually so that the exposure will be the same acoss the screen. The way I made the matte was to set the lens at it's widest angle, and then used a piece of black card board that was cut to fit within the rim of the lens. This circle shaped piece was split right down the middle and one half was used to film one side of the split screen effect, and then obviously the other half was inserted and the other half removed, the film rewound, and then the final side was filmed. Using this very low tech method resulted in a shot that has usually wowed most people who have seen it. I made sure that the matte line was lined up with a corner of a wall or some type of edge in order to help hide it. The only give away is that the registration is nor perfect, so there is a little bit of shifting between the two halves of the scene, but it still looks cool.
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citizendanny
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fuji single 8
Thanks for the responses. Can I use fuji single 8 film in any regular 8mm camera(ie. not made by fuji-eg. bell & howel, elmo, etc.)? What if I wanted to develop my own film? Where can I find info about developing my own film and buy developing supplies ?:D
The Canon 814E AZ and 1014E AZ as well as a few others have lap dissolve, fade in/out functions as well as a double exposure mode that will let you do all that without the guess work and without having to unload your carts and touch the film with your bare hands.
I may sound stupid, but I hide it well.
http://www.gcmstudio.com
http://www.gcmstudio.com
You'll have to do this in complete darkness and it only works for about 300 to 500 frames and only in the middle of a cart... hence it's most likely not what you need.filmfan wrote:There is a way to rewind film in a super 8 cartridge, and it goes like this.
Put tape over the drive wheel located inside the camera.
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Re: fuji single 8
No. There are two different types of perforations:citizendanny wrote:Can I use fuji single 8 film in any regular 8mm camera
a) Regular 8 (Aka "Standard 8"/"Normal 8"/"Double 8")
b) Super8 (same perforation as used by Single8 and Doublesuper8. But due to different cartridges/film-width/... , you can only use the same projector, but not the same camera! Hence a camera for single8-cartridges is called single8-camera, for super8-cartridges super8-camera, for doublesuper8-reels doublesuper8-camera,...)
You can't mix a) and b)!
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