I'm a student (20) at the University of Liverpool (for all you American's reading this, that's where the Beatles were from!), the film-making society itself seems to use nothing but DV, though I know a few people who are into Super-8 in a personal capacity.
The Drama Society has recently PAID for me to film their Shakespeare play "The Taming of the Shrew" in Mini-DV with Super-8 intercuts!
For those of you interested I'm using the following:
Sankyo EM30-XL Camera.
Tri-X... Indoor rehersals.
Ektachrome 64T... Outdoor shots in costume.
Vision 2 500T... Timelapse the entire play at 1 frame every 2 sec.
All to be telecine'd by The Widescreen Centre in London to Mini-DV, edited on computer and burned onto DVD with the finished production.
Any other UK students done similar stuff? Might be an idea to do a UK student Super-8 meet/ show/ convention-type thing? Any thoughts?
Any UK students into Super 8 out there?
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I think one of the reasons other students don't use film is because they have no idea how to - they just plump for DV because they can and it is easy.
As a student yourself you are in an ideal position to get others into it - make sure your film is really good and it will blow them away - I loke the idea of intercutting the super8 with DV - makes for a good contrast.
matt
As a student yourself you are in an ideal position to get others into it - make sure your film is really good and it will blow them away - I loke the idea of intercutting the super8 with DV - makes for a good contrast.
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Well, I'm from New England unfortunately but same is true here. All the students use DV and laughed at me for using regular 8mm K-40 for a music video. I had a lot of doubts myself for a period but when the film came back, there was a huge step in quality. They don't know what they're missing, make them know.
Re: Any UK students into Super 8 out there?
Great gig Mogzy--I'm sure you'll blow them away with the Super8 footage.Mogzy wrote: Vision 2 500T... Timelapse the entire play at 1 frame every 2 sec.
I'm interested in how you plan to use the timelapse footage. How do you plan to cut it in? Or are you just going to use it to grab stills from?
Good luck with everything.
Tim
Id say Vision 200T shooting is the way to go. Everyone seems to love super-8 until it comes to the act of actually shooting it.
Even though the whole world once got by shooting 35mm stills on auto exposure now people piss themselves at the idea of not being able to reveal instant results, but show people the way and incorporate a high quality developing and telecine workflow.
Get yourself a Leicina Special and a quality Beaulieu and start some classes, when they get their hands on a good cam with slow mo, different stocks, timelapse they will be hooked.
Even though the whole world once got by shooting 35mm stills on auto exposure now people piss themselves at the idea of not being able to reveal instant results, but show people the way and incorporate a high quality developing and telecine workflow.
Get yourself a Leicina Special and a quality Beaulieu and start some classes, when they get their hands on a good cam with slow mo, different stocks, timelapse they will be hooked.
Yeah basically one idea is we have the play shot on mini-DV with an interlude montage between acts, the timelapse footage intercut with some of the other Super 8 stuff and some monochrome Mini-DV "interviews" we shot during rehersals.
Fortunately the director of the play is also a Super 8 buff and managed to get it cleared that the Drama society would pay for the stocks, processing and telecine!
I'm using the 500T for timelapse as the intervalometer on the EM30-XL doesn't allow the shutter to be locked open, so I need the speed.
The EM30-XL only cost me £8 and gives a brighter, sharper, steadier image than my old Nizo S800 costing £100+ did! (It also seems to handle the Ektachrome 125 VNF better (set for 40 and 160 only) than the Nizo which was meant to be able to handle it properly! Funny things cine cameras...)
Anyway, I used the Nizo S800 for a similar gig last year (since sadly sold due to skint-ness- I am a student after all, though when I've got a decent job I'm getting myself a Beaulieu!) and was able to use K40 as I could give it a 2 sec exposure. What we did there was to have 2 separate DVDs- the play on Mini-DV and an "Additional feature" DVD all on K40 and the Svema "Quarzchrome" stuff (as it was a Russian play!) with some b&w backstage stuff intercut with the K40 timelapse with a musical soundtrack. Of course the bit everyone thought was best was the Super 8 stuff!
I've been using Super 8 since 1998, at the tender age of 13 having tried in vain to get a "filmic-quality" look with various VHS camcorders. Saw a cine camera and projector in the local paper for £10- Boots the Chemist still stocked K40 at £12 a roll. One film and two weeks later I was hooked.
Fortunately the director of the play is also a Super 8 buff and managed to get it cleared that the Drama society would pay for the stocks, processing and telecine!
I'm using the 500T for timelapse as the intervalometer on the EM30-XL doesn't allow the shutter to be locked open, so I need the speed.
The EM30-XL only cost me £8 and gives a brighter, sharper, steadier image than my old Nizo S800 costing £100+ did! (It also seems to handle the Ektachrome 125 VNF better (set for 40 and 160 only) than the Nizo which was meant to be able to handle it properly! Funny things cine cameras...)
Anyway, I used the Nizo S800 for a similar gig last year (since sadly sold due to skint-ness- I am a student after all, though when I've got a decent job I'm getting myself a Beaulieu!) and was able to use K40 as I could give it a 2 sec exposure. What we did there was to have 2 separate DVDs- the play on Mini-DV and an "Additional feature" DVD all on K40 and the Svema "Quarzchrome" stuff (as it was a Russian play!) with some b&w backstage stuff intercut with the K40 timelapse with a musical soundtrack. Of course the bit everyone thought was best was the Super 8 stuff!
I've been using Super 8 since 1998, at the tender age of 13 having tried in vain to get a "filmic-quality" look with various VHS camcorders. Saw a cine camera and projector in the local paper for £10- Boots the Chemist still stocked K40 at £12 a roll. One film and two weeks later I was hooked.
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I'm for a UK meet in January, during semester break, at the
The Diorama Arts Centre, London
3-7 Euston Centre, Regents Place,
London NW1 3JG.
Nearest Tube Warren St
http://www.diorama-arts.org.uk/rooms.htm <- Scroll down to Diorama 2
We could do a live video link with Scotland, Wales, Erie, etc...
Gianni
The Diorama Arts Centre, London
3-7 Euston Centre, Regents Place,
London NW1 3JG.
Nearest Tube Warren St
http://www.diorama-arts.org.uk/rooms.htm <- Scroll down to Diorama 2
We could do a live video link with Scotland, Wales, Erie, etc...
Gianni
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I wants a copy of the DVD when it's available.
I just need a couple Workprinters, a E-6 table top processor, then I'll have Super 8 worked into my multimedia course.
I cannot justify my employer (the university) to pay for film and processing, and kodak and fuji are not giving out grants or stock for Super 8 filmmakers yet. An alternative to London's great widescreen centre, is ToddAO in london. A few months ago, they charged £50 for a cart of super 8 film, processing and telecine with next day service.
Fujifilm at Finchley Road in London NW3 gives great student discounts for 16mm films... and... Kodak Hemel Hempstead is running a film contest using ad agency specs, subsidizes camera rental and pays for processing..
Most students are too broke to afford film and processing, and the serious filmmaking academics are pushing 16mm not super 8. I've got a computing multimedia course, but it's difficult to inspire students to invest a fifty to a few hundred in film, processing, and telecine, then wait for a few days or weeks for a short.
Video is great to teach the grammar of shooting and editing, but crap for lighting and photography unless you got a fine camera and good technique (learned from filming in Super 8? ) . I think I need to present the advantages of film versus video... maybe a faq or title of our conference?
Gianni
I just need a couple Workprinters, a E-6 table top processor, then I'll have Super 8 worked into my multimedia course.
I cannot justify my employer (the university) to pay for film and processing, and kodak and fuji are not giving out grants or stock for Super 8 filmmakers yet. An alternative to London's great widescreen centre, is ToddAO in london. A few months ago, they charged £50 for a cart of super 8 film, processing and telecine with next day service.
Fujifilm at Finchley Road in London NW3 gives great student discounts for 16mm films... and... Kodak Hemel Hempstead is running a film contest using ad agency specs, subsidizes camera rental and pays for processing..
Most students are too broke to afford film and processing, and the serious filmmaking academics are pushing 16mm not super 8. I've got a computing multimedia course, but it's difficult to inspire students to invest a fifty to a few hundred in film, processing, and telecine, then wait for a few days or weeks for a short.
Video is great to teach the grammar of shooting and editing, but crap for lighting and photography unless you got a fine camera and good technique (learned from filming in Super 8? ) . I think I need to present the advantages of film versus video... maybe a faq or title of our conference?
Gianni
london film art lab
I'm an art student at goldsmiths in London. Check out the no.w.here lab (http://www.nowhere-lab.org) for other options (cheap 8mm to 16mm blow ups, b&w processing for 16mm, courses etc.). I'm an intern there from time to time. no.w.here might be interested in hosting such an event - its exactly their sort of thing. We're in Brussels right now at the cinema nova "rencontre des labos", I'll ask...