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Newbie to S8 and forum with questions

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Hey guys, I am a newbie to the whole thing here, but I recently decided to purchase a S8 camera and some film and give it a go. Right now I only use it for home-moves and the like. I would like to get a little bit more creative with it, and so I am getting more and more interested.

Why did I get into it? I guess I'm a sucker for great cinematography, and in general great film. I have always felt a desire to be creative with movies, but I never thought about S8.

I bought my first S8 camera ( a really cheap Halina with *only* zoom. Seperate viewfinder, all of that great stuff. There isn't even a daylight filter. I started it in Spain (lived there for 6 months) and am trying to continue it now. If you don't read my story, I do actually have questions later! I was really supprised with the quality of the film! I had no idea that it was so much more asthetically pleasing! I can't describe why, film has this magical quality to it, but I am a film addict now. In my opinion, making movies is an artform (well sometimes) and the tools offered by film are so much more diverse. The subtleties of the medium are so useful, and I think, in the right hands could allow a person to be much more creative. I think it would be similar to the insistence of guitarists on vacuum tubes over solid-state technology.

When I got my first film back, I decided I needed a better camera, so I went to the Salvation Army, and got a B&H cheapo for 5$. It was smaller and had the daylight filter plus shutter remote trigger too. Nothing spetacular. Later I went to visit a friend in NYC, and he (from my ravings about S8) Purchased a much more sophisticated camera. I loved it! It had a very long zoom (around 70mm I think). Well it was long for me. It also had 24 and 12 fps settings. I was jealous! I am currently looking for a better model on ebay. I'm looking for something with a long zoom lens and slow and fast film speeds. Also a very slow time-lapse feature would be a plus. Anyone want to help me out :wink:

Anyway, to the questions: My first film is really scratchy. Is there a good way to avoid these? It looks much scratchier than films I have seen from DIY video transfers. I wish I could post an example, but I'll get to that problem later? Could it be that the compression and lower resolution over the web hides this some? For reference, the film was in the camera for about a week and then laying around for another couple of weeks. Also passed through airport security x-rays despite much pleading.

Also, there were some places where it was overexposed when I didn't expect it. One was shot in the direction of the sun (no clouds). That doesn't surprise me, but the sun wasn't in the picture. Secondly, the other shot that really concerns me is a shot in a car. It was sunny out, but it didn't seem to really be a problem. Could it be that my camera had a problem with exposure control? Or maybe it doesn't have it? Another is a shot overlooking a lake, and it is almost completely white too. Well-lit indoor shots seem to be a little dim too. I am beginning to think it is the camera, but any help would be appreciated.

On to the Wal Mart question. Am I correct in assuming that Wal Mart does S8 processing and transfer to video? At this stage, quality is good, but price is more important, since I am only a student (not a film student either!) at 5$ a roll, it seems very cheap. I've read the info about this here, and I think I'll give it a try.

Finally, on the conversion to a digital format. I tried a webcam the other night. Obviously not a good solution. I'm thinking of using a scanner and 8mm2avi. Any advice?

Oh, I've been shooting K40 and I sent the first roll to Dwaynes. That's all for now. Looking forward to the responses.
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welcome to the fold

Cleanliness is next to godliness as far as the internals of cameras and projectors are concerned. Super-8 cartridges are plastic and and a quick check for any sharp edges on the pressure plate before filming might be a good idea. If they are sharp fine, it means Kodak are using new tooling, but just check for any bits sticking up.

As for transferring to the computer. I use a camcorder connected directly to the computer through an ATI All In Wonder Pro Card. While not the best it works. The biggest problem is the hot spot of the bulb. It does not show on a projected screen, but does when videoed. I had to fit a new bulb recently and this is worse than the old one. As yet I have not resolved the problem, but believe a bit of paper on the projection lenses might work.

Check out my site, below, for my experiences.

All the best and keep the film rolling.
New web site and this is cine page http://www.picsntech.co.uk/cine.html
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Thanks for the advice. Anyone know why my film was getting overexposed? Could it be the cheap Halina didn't have auto exposure controls? I would really like to figure this out. Thanks
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If your film was overexposed I would say that it was most likely due to a bad light meter in the camera, or it could have been that the camera didn't have a built in meter (there seems to be a Halina model like this). Your best bet for a new camera with all the features you seem to want is most likely a Nizo, they are a bit pricey though.

In terms of film and processing, the cheapest deal I have found is K40 directly from kodak w/ paid processing, they have a student discount that makes it a really good deal for students.

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Futureman wrote:Also, there were some places where it was overexposed when I didn't expect it. One was shot in the direction of the sun (no clouds). That doesn't surprise me, but the sun wasn't in the picture.
flare? get a shade/matte box or use your hand.
Secondly, the other shot that really concerns me is a shot in a car. It was sunny out, but it didn't seem to really be a problem.
is it the interior or the exterior that is overexposed? if the latter, the camera probably exposed for the interior.
Another is a shot overlooking a lake, and it is almost completely white too.
sounds like flare again.
Well-lit indoor shots seem to be a little dim too.
this is odd. how do you mean "dim"? if the scene was indeed well lit you should get perfect results as this is usually the best situation exposure wise. if you're saying that this scene was underexposed it sounds like you simply didn't have it enough "well lit". k40 needs lots and lots of light...

/matt
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a very good tip will be buying Lenny Liptons "independent filmmaking" or "the super 8 book". I would go for the first (or both). They show up on e bay almost for nothing. I has got extensive info about all the techniques for super 8. it's a little bible which will answer all your questions. Only the transfer section is outdated. Try www. moviestuff.com for that. For the rest, stick to the forum as well.

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mattias wrote:
Futureman wrote:Also, there were some places where it was overexposed when I didn't expect it. One was shot in the direction of the sun (no clouds). That doesn't surprise me, but the sun wasn't in the picture.
flare? get a shade/matte box or use your hand.
Secondly, the other shot that really concerns me is a shot in a car. It was sunny out, but it didn't seem to really be a problem.
is it the interior or the exterior that is overexposed? if the latter, the camera probably exposed for the interior.
sounds like flare again.
this is odd. how do you mean "dim"? if the scene was indeed well lit you should get perfect results as this is usually the best situation exposure wise. if you're saying that this scene was underexposed it sounds like you simply didn't have it enough "well lit". k40 needs lots and lots of light...

/matt
As for the car situation, it was definitely overexposed inside and outside the car. I can understand the dim situations. It was my first roll of film, and I wanted to check it out, but I didn't think it could possibly be too bright outside to use K40, right? I guess well-lit is subjective, but what is normally enough light for my 35mm SLR with asa 100 or 200 film, there wasn't enough for the K40. I am still learning the film too, but it wasn't easy with a camera that doesn't have a viewable light meter. Once again, this was a Halina, with what I now have learned has a seperate light meter not ttl). It doesn't even have a TTL viewfinder. I would be happy to learn that either my technique or my camera is bad, because I would be able to fix either, but the shot in the car, really makes me think it has nothing to do with my technique. Ah, I remember another shot, It was partially cloudy, and the sun was directly overhead. Nothing special about this shot, no windows, just two people in front of one of the little gas stations on the Autobahn in Germany. This was a little overexposed too. Idon't know what I could have done wrong there.
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Post by mattias »

yes, there's probably something wrong with your camera. i've shot plenty of outdoor stuff in auto mode with my canon 814e, and the only scenes that i ever managed to overexpose were scenes with extreme contrast (snowboarding) and when i got lens flares -- which doesn't cause overexposure but it washes out the scene giving a similar look...

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