Frame Master

Post by **hellesdonfilms** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:57 pm

Has anyone used Andec's Fram Master for Super 8 cartidges?

Do they make a real difference to registration and picture quality?

I was thinking of buying one but as they are quite expensive I'd like to hear if anyones had any experiences with them before going ahead.

Post by **Scotness** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:15 pm

Try the search function here - it has been used, tested and reported here by at least one person...

Scot

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:09 am

you may get an impression here:
http://andecfilm.de/en/e_demo-bildstand.htm
however, dont expect miracels. normally it will offer improvements but there are variables in cam design, cam wear, filmstock variation, perfing, lubrication etc which will influence.

generally with negative stocks ive seen improvements but never "rock steady".

my dos euro centavos.

s8hÃƒÂ´ÃƒÂ´t

Post by **tlatosmd** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:28 am

As much as I know, they developed their pressure plate especially for that past heavy jitter problem you can see examples of on their site, and that Scot suffered from while shooting In my image. Otherwise, it's pretty useless.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:36 am

tlatosmd wrote:As much as I know, they developed their pressure plate especially for that past heavy jitter problem you can see examples of on their site, and that Scot suffered from while shooting In my image. Otherwise, it's pretty useless.

i agree but ive seen some improvements with neg stocks.

s8hÃƒÂ´ÃƒÂ´t

Post by **jukkasil** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:28 pm

hellesdonfilms wrote:Has anyone used Andec's Fram Master for Super 8 cartidges?

Do they make a real difference to registration and picture quality?

I was thinking of buying one but as they are quite expensive I'd like to hear if anyones had any experiences with them before going ahead.

Check these ones out:

viewtopic.php?t=11719&highlight=dente
http://www.sorb-i-tol.com/AL_DENTE_SILENT_TEASER.MPG

Post by **hellesdonfilms** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:08 pm

i don't know what to say i'm kind of speechesless. i never thought Super8 could look that good.

how did you do it?

Post by **jukkasil** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:02 pm

hellesdonfilms wrote:i don't know what to say i'm kind of speechesless. i never thought Super8 could look that good.

how did you do it?

- Shot with Canon 1014 XL-S (with 150 degree angle shutter),
- Shot Vision2 200 and 500 T negative stocks with frame master
- Used indoor shots a lot of light (about 4 kW) with a lot of fog
- Kept in my mind during shootings, that finally we'll crop the image to 2.35 aspect ratio using my fingers at the rear of lens during image composition process before starting the rolling camera with film
- Films were prosessed and transfered via Andec
That's it.

Post by **Mitch Perkins** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:04 am

jukkasil wrote: - Kept in my mind during shootings, that finally we'll crop the image to 2.35 aspect ratio using my fingers at the rear of lens during image composition process before starting the rolling camera with film

I love it! So much for modifying the VF...I've noticed re-transferring older 4:3 stuff I and others have shot that usually the image can be letterboxed with no loss of important info; folks seem to frame for widescreen naturally.

Your clips are outstanding. Way to go!

Mitch

Post by **Rick Palidwor** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:31 am

jukkasil wrote: Check these ones out:

viewtopic.php?t=11719&highlight=dente
http://www.sorb-i-tol.com/AL_DENTE_SILENT_TEASER.MPG

Nice looking stuff. My only complaint was the specks of dust, which are always a killer on negative film.

Also nice to see someone using depth of field, as per some of the recent discussions on this forum.

Rick

Post by **mattias** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:12 am

dust is very easy to paint out. if you're using fcp i have developed a plugin for it. download from my homepage.

/matt

Post by **Scotness** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:45 am

Hi Matt I'm on Wintel so can't use your FCP plug in - but just wondering did you automate the process? When I cleaned up Sleeping On Her couch I went through and did it by hand using photoshop to clone out the dust specs it was a very effective, though time consuming method. Just wondering how you approached it in your plug in?

Scot

Post by **Mitch Perkins** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:21 am

mattias wrote:dust is very easy to paint out. if you're using fcp i have developed a plugin for it. download from my homepage.

/matt

Probly doesn't f*ck up your brain like the alcohol wetgate I use, either. [who said that?]

Back to the framemaster - anybody got any pics? Could the thing not be knocked off using some smooth plastic or sumthin?

Mitch

Post by **T-Scan** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:05 am

I haven't used mine in a year, but it can make a difference. I get a lot better stability in slomo with it. I should use it next time, had some mild jitter with 64T at 54fps. the plate should cure it. I had a high milage 1014E that quit advancing when the plate was in. So I'd stick with a strong running camera.

Post by **vapparn** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:15 am

T-Scan wrote: "I get a lot better stability in slomo with it. I should use it next time, had some mild jitter with 64T at 54fps."

This is so interesting since I haven't ever had any kind of jitters when going slomo. Slomo has allways been very solid for me, done it with Nizo 4080 and Beaulieu 7008S. But I know many people use FM plate when going hi-speed. I would use FM only when shooting 24/25, but then again I don't have this plate anymore, cos I know I can do slomo without and slomo is what I like anyways.

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